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Exclusive interview: G.M. Toh, General Manager India, Singapore Airlines

Singapore Airlines (SQ) is one of the most respected airlines in the world. Bangalore Aviation was honoured to have an exclusive one-on-one with Mr. G.M. Toh, the airline's head in India.

Q. Please give us an overview of the trends you’ve seen in the Indian market over the past 6 months? What do you see in the next 6 months? 12 months? 24 months?
The air travel as a whole is dependent on the world economy. While a lot of air travel is essential, there is a high component of discretionary travel as well, and when there is a slow down, both corporations and individuals cut back on air travel. So yes, there has been an impact on Singapore Airlines.

In India, travel was good till end last year. The Indian domestic market was recording double digit growth. The growth slowed down by the start of the fiscal to single digits, and in the last few months we are seeing a contraction. It is a shocking slowdown, especially considering the Indian economy is growing at 5%~5.5% and normally air travel growth is 2x the economic growth. Clearly there are some other factors at play. This is purely my personal view, it is possible that the current economic growth is being driven by rural India where air travel is not significant. The increases in air fares could also be a factor, but I feel there is a softening of demand.

On Singapore Airlines itself, we are a listed company so we are not allowed to disclose information that is not already published and available to public. At a macro level, if you see the last published resulted for the fiscal year ended March 2012, our performance has been impacted considerably, especially in the last fiscal quarter i.e. January to March 2012. In the quarter one of fiscal 2013 i.e. April to June, 2012, the results were better than expected, but the overall results are not as good. While we are still reporting profits, margins are slim and not at previous levels.

Our growth has moderated. Long haul flights are very challenging for us, given the high fuel prices. We have had to cut back on longer haul flights like Houston, but growth this year is focussed on Asia. We have added services to China, Indonesia, a little bit to Australia, and to India.

At Mumbai, we are growing from 14 services a week from Mumbai to 21 from November, a 50% growth. At Hyderabad we are increasing Silkair services from a daily, to nine a week. We have announced new SilkAir services to Vishakhapatanam (Vizag). In total we will grow from about 79~80 fights a week in July 2011, to 93, a growth of 14 flights, which is good considering these depressed times. 50% of this growth has been in Mumbai were we have traffic rights. As you know our traffic rights to the top five cities of India are very constrained, so we add where we can.

Q. A lot of growth is on SilkAir (MI) rather than Singapore Airlines. Is this growth, a brand driven exercise, or an aircraft driven one, considering Singapore Airlines has only wide body aircraft, while SilkAir has only narrow body (A320 family) aircraft?

It is a little complicated. By and large it is aircraft driven. A lot of the newer destinations like Vizag and Coimbatore, cannot handle larger aircraft. There are also factors like traffic rights. We are unable to expand to the larger Indian cities due to constrained traffic rights. The newer destinations are smaller cities and we operate narrow bodies due to traffic capacities and economic reasons.

Q. How do the forward bookings for Indian travel look given the economic slowdown here and continuing economic woes in the rest of the world?

There is no doubt there is a softening of demand across domestic and international travel, but due to our added services and destination we are overall okay compared to last year, but I am sorry I cannot give specifics.

Q. How is competition from the MEB3 (Middle East Big 3 Three - Emirates, Qatar, Etihad) affecting Singapore Airlines, especially on the India to US routes?

We do not compete too much with MEB3. Their main markets from India are the middle east, Africa, Europe and to a lesser extent the United States. To the US east coast, frankly, they [MEB3] compete with the European carriers. To the west coast, which is a far smaller market than the east coast, from the south and east of India we compete well. From the west and north, the routing does not favour us as much. We operate two flights a day each to San Francisco and Los Angeles. Most of our traffic from India is to the east i.e. Asia and Australia / New Zealand, and there the MEB3 routing does not afford them to compete with us.

Q. Singapore Airlines currently operates its 777-300ER with the 1-2-1 ultra-premium business class product on the red-eye flights from Delhi and Mumbai, but does not on its remaining Indian sectors, especially Bangalore. Please give us insight as to why this is?

There are two factors. The 777-300ER is space intensive cabin, specifically meant for long distance flights. Our business class is an ultra-wide 1-2-1, 4 abreast configuration compared to the 2-2-2, 6 abreast of our competitors. Even our economy we have a nine abreast economy cabin, while some of the big middle east carriers are flying ten across. [Editor's note: Emirates and Etihad, and now Jet Airways have this 10 abreast ultra-narrow configuration].

So our 777-300ER has only 276 seats compared to 330~340 seats of our competitor. We have put in fewer seats recognising that long haul flights require more comfort for our passengers. Mumbai and New Delhi are like Shanghai and Beijing in China. One is the commercial capital, one is the national capital, and in recognition of the commercial importance of these markets, we limit operations of the 777-300ERs to these cities, both in India and China.

The second factor. You will observe world-wide airlines are cutting back on the traditional three class aircraft of First, Business and Economy. First class is a very limited product and very few routes can remuneratively sustain First class, on a regular basis. You will observe we offer a First class only to Mumbai and Delhi in India, Shanghai and Beijing in China, Sydney and Melbourne in Australia, Auckland in New Zealand, and Tokyo in Japan.

In response to your question, why not Bangalore. Bangalore has good corporate demand and good business class traffic, but it does not have a sustainable First class demand. Across the world for markets similar to Bangalore, most carriers, including Singapore Airlines operate a two class aircraft. So we do not operate our 777-300ER which has a First class cabin due to market matching.

Q. How does the financial performance look on the secondary Indian routes by Silkair to airports like Coimbatore, Kochi, and Trivandrum ?

It is no secret that Singapore Airlines and Silkair are aggressively cutting back non-performing routes. We left Amritsar in 2009 for example. Coming to these secondary routes, we started Trivandrum (Thiruvananthapuram) in 1991, Kochi in 2001, Coimbatore in 2007, and the fact that we are still operating these routes, suggest they are doing okay. Two factors work for us. First is the immigration to Singapore and Malaysia from southern states of India, especially Tamil Nadu and Kerala, which leads to a natural demand for the family driven traffic, and the needs of travelers from these cities to connect to the world which we provide from our Singapore hub. [Editor's note: Singapore Airlines is a handful of carriers belonging to the "six continents club" i.e. offering flights to all six populated continents of the world].

Q. How are the LCCs like AirAsia, IndiGo and Tiger Airways competing with you in India? We have seen a lot of churn with AirAsia withdrawing from many stations?

Devesh, you are very knowledgeable about the industry, and you know Singapore is the epicentre of low cost carriers in Asia. These are purely my own thinking. There are two reasons why low cost carriers have done so well at Singapore.

First, we have a very liberal, business friendly attitude and policies in Singapore. JetStar Asia is very big in Singapore, and even though it is 51% owned by a Singapore business house, it is effectively run by Qantas who owns 49%. So, from about 2003, when LCCs started operating in Singapore, their traffic share has gone from single digits to over 26% today on a base of about 45 million passengers annually.

Secondly, Singapore is a strong yielding market. Our strong economy and strong currency, it allows LCCs to price lower than full service carriers, but yet make their operations viable.

India is a challenging market for anyone, but especially for low cost carriers. Indian LCCs who dominate the domestic market, now enjoy operational efficiencies which makes it very hard for foreign low cost carriers to compete against them. Another aspect to consider is that India is a low yielding market compared to many destinations in the Gulf or ASEAN region. So foreign LCCs choose to deploy capacities to higher yielding markets, especially in these tough times.

Q. How much scope for expansion does Singapore Airlines see for more Indian service, whether that be capacity/frequency increases, or new routes?

Traffic rights still remain the constraining factor. If we get additional rights, I leave it to your educated guess to where we would like to expand. [Editor's note: It would be New Delhi, Bangalore, Chennai]. Last year, in Chennai, we were forced to reduce our SilkAir services in favour of Tiger Airways. So we are facing a further dilution of traffic rights.

Q. Given that Tiger Airways is making a resurgence in India, as a knowledgeable industry professional, what are your thoughts about Scoot in India?

If you see Scoot is expanding in to those countries where we have open skies or very liberal third and fourth freedom rights. Australia, China, Thailand, Taiwan and Japan. I think Scoot is focussed on economic returns and since they have modified their 777-200's to 400+ seats, they are only looking at high volume routes. There are some cities in India which are high volume enough to sustain Scoot, but traffic rights are the constraint.

Q. Is there a scenario wherein Singapore Airlines would operate the A380 to India, and is it already allowed to?

We have ordered 19 A380's all of which have been delivered. They are deployed on long distance, high volume, high yielding routes. London Heathrow is THE airport the A380 was built for. As present we have no plans for bringing the A380 in India. If you observe, we operate the A380 to Hong Kong which is 3.5 hours, but then we operate seven flights a day one of which is the A380. I am not sure any destination in India will justify it, at least for now. For the future, I look forward to India growing and generating these levels of traffic.

Q. What has been the effect of the wing rib cracks on the A380?

When this matter showed up, there was some initial juggling of the schedules and I think the initial issues have been settled, but I am not an expert on this matter.

Q. Can you share any insight into the business/leisure breakdown of Singapore Airlines proper’s Indian operation (i.e how much of the traffic is business traffic and how much is leisure) ?

We do have a good mix of both, but I cannot share more information than that.

Q. Can you share what percentage of Singapore Airlines’ Indian traffic is origin and destination (O and D) and what percentage is connecting onwards through Singapore (6th freedom)?

Devesh you are already well informed. But for those who want greater detail, I recommend your readers see the CAG report. If you see the top ten airlines, most of them are in the 70%~80% range [connecting vs. O and D]. Lufthansa was around 87%. Clearly these airlines are carrying Indian passengers to the world not to their countries. Singapore Airlines was one of the lowest with a very healthy mix of about 50% passengers flying to Singapore and 50% going beyond. Which is not surprising considering the historical ethnic links and the over 300,000 Indian permanent residents in Singapore, and 900,000 visitors from India in Singapore. Unfortunately we get clubbed with the other airlines and our traffic rights are constrained.

Q. What does SQ/MI look forward to, from the Indian government, in terms of aviation policy? What in your opinion should be some initiatives the Indian government must take in the civil aviation sector? Comments on Indian airports, charges, facilities? What does SQ/MI look to from airports in the future? In current stations? In future stations?

To be fair to the airport operators, they moved from the old airports terminals to these spanking new facilities. This costs a lot of money, and we recognise someone has to pay for it. Our issue is how the payment burden is structured. To have such a huge increase, implemented all in one go, and in some cases, almost retrospectively, is not the way business should be done. As an example, at Delhi, just the passenger fee increases represents a double-digit percentage increase in total fare outgo by the passenger. Even the increases on landing and parking charges for us is over seven digits and we operate only two flights a day. It is not fair.

As a comparison, Singapore Changi airport, after many many years, is increasing the passenger fee by S$6. This is effective April 1, 2013, and this increase was announced two months ago, giving the airlines a lead time of over six months, and is valid only on tickets sold after November 1, 2012. Indian airports need to do fare increases in an orderly, planned and gradual manner, giving all the stake-holders time to adjust and to enable passengers to make their ticket purchases with their eyes wide open on the total costs. The suddenness and quantum of the increase is having its impact on marginal airlines.

I have been in India now for 22 months and I have seen 17 airports. I must admit, I am very impressed by some of the new airport terminals coming up. For example Chandigarh, Amritsar, or Vizag. We recognise there is a cost to be paid for these new terminals, what industry needs is for the power that is, to recognise that we all want better facilities, but we all need to find better ways of managing costs and distributing them in a fair and equitable manner.

One fundamental issue that has come up from the Delhi airport saga, is that, while PPP [Public Private Partnership] is good, but if you have AAI taking such a large chunk of the revenue collected, as its share, makes the job very challenging for the operator, and is a key reason why charges have gone up by some much.

Thank you Mr. Toh. Its been a pleasure.
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"How can you save money, except by getting the 787?" Interview with Dr. Dinesh Keskar, President, Boeing India

On the sidelines of the India Aviation 2012 show at Hyderabad, Devesh Agarwal had an exclusive one-on-meeting interview with Dr. Dinesh Keskar, President, Boeing International Corporation India Pvt. Ltd., and Senior Vice President of Sales, Asia-Pacific and India, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. Dr. Keskar also chairs the Committee on Aviation at the Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry (FICCI) which organises this show.

The interview was held on-board the 787-8 Dreamliner, N1015B, in Air India configuration, line number 35, specially brought in for the show. (See cabin photos and video walk through here.)

Dr. Dinesh Keskar
Bangalore Aviation covered a wide variety of questions with Dr. Keskar, from the 787 to 737 MAX to 747-8i to 777-X, and not just in his official capacity at Boeing, but also as a seasoned and well informed observer of the Indian commercial aviation industry. Dr. Keskar answered all the questions posed to him, and gave us a frank opinion, on what he sees happening in the ailing Indian airline industry.

Q: Please give us an update of what’s going on at Boeing, from an India, Asia-Pac, to a global perspective?
A: The bottom line is, the world is a big market with 33,504 sales as a long term forecast. Within that, I think Asia-Pacific has the largest potential. If we come from that perspective, Asia is the booming thing right now, Europe is still struggling, the US is kind of flat, and then you have India at the bottom, which is a good market, but as I said yesterday [at the public Boeing press briefing], the growth is there, still double digits, but it is a profit-less growth, and that is our big problem right now.
Q: You have brought the Air India version of the 787 to India. How has been the response to the aircraft? From the public? from [launch Indian customer] Air India? from Government officials?
A: Tremendous… Everybody who has walked in is absolutely impressed with the airplane. Those people who have seen the airplane from the inside, who have seen the features, who have looked at the full flat business class seats, who have played with the electronic windows; who have looked at the economy seats and are absolutely ecstatic. They cannot wait to have this airplane in India so they can start making money with it.

You can see it for yourself, bigger bins, larger windows, better humidity, we talked about what the passengers can see themselves. Then there is also what they can feel, which is the air filtration system, the dust elimination system, the cabin altitude [787 cabin pressure is maintained at 6,000ft MSL vs. 8,000ft of other aircraft], and I mean you can go on and on. These are not present in any other airplane, and these are all important factors.
Q: Have you been successful in your efforts to persuade the government that the Dreamliner is the aircraft Air India needs to succeed in its efforts to turn around? There has been a lot of talk about the Indian government reducing the order due to financial constraints? Can you please comment on how confident you are in retaining the original order of 27 787-8 Dreamliners? [Editor's note: About a month after this interview, the Government of India, in its financial bail-out package of Air India, confirmed the airline will take delivery of all ordered 27 aircraft.]
A: I cannot comment on the Government of India’s mindset or on the on-going negotiations. It is the government's prerogative on what to do; but I will say that this is the best airplane we have. You can see the data. 850+ planes sold, five aircraft already delivered, 59 customers, one has started taking delivery.

Which other airplane gives the fuel efficiency that this aircraft does? 30% lower maintenance costs, 10% lower operating costs. There is no other airplane like this. It is an amazing airplane. How can you save money, except by getting an airplane like this?
Q: How are the five delivered Dreamliners performing at [launch customer] ANA (All Nippon Airways)? Are there any issues?
A: You should talk to ANA too, but they are clearly very pleased with the plane, and they have made a statement to this effect. Over 100,000 passengers have flown on the different sectors that they fly, and it has over 98% dispatch reliability, which is unthinkable for an airplane which is going into service for the first time in the world.
Q: What are some of the other critical indicators, there are concerns some of the initial airplanes were overweight?
A: That’s true, but the plane is making all the missions. One has to see what are you really getting? On the initial airplanes , instead of 20% improvement in fuel efficiency, you are getting 18%. Airlines kill for 1% and this is straight 18%. We are doing programs and we are continuing to improve the program in such a manner that we will be able to make up for these initial deficiencies, reduce the weight, and we will try to improve the aircraft’s engine and engine integration, so that we will get back to the efficiency that we initially advertised.
Computer generated image Lion Air Boeing 737-9 MAX
Q: Switching tracks now. You led the team that closed the largest aircraft order in history, very recently, with Indonesian LCC Lion Air for the 737-9 MAX. What does this order mean for Boeing in general, and for the MAX program in particular?
A: So obviously, it is the third customer after American and Southwest. These are big orders. People were always worried who Lion Air is, but now they’ve taken delivery of their 60th 737-900ER just about 10 days ago, and they are making a lot of money with these aircraft.
Q: Lion Air was the launch customer of the 737-900ER. Will they be the launch customer of the 737 MAX 9 as well?
A: Yes.
Q: What has this done for the MAX program?
A: First of all, it is a clear indication that people believe in this aircraft, when you have airline’s putting belief in this aircraft [by ordering it] in these quantities of numbers. And again, if you look at it, Indonesia is a perfect market, where there are 17,000 islands, across 7 time zones, bigger than the US. You fly 6 hours and you are still in the country. So they can generate lot of RPKs [Revenue Passenger Kilometres - a measure of airline performance], and that is why they need such airplanes. The ASEAN [Association of South East Asian Nations] is being opened up. When there will be open skies in ASEAN, then there is no limit to where they [Lion Air] can go; and that’s where, if Lion Air can run an efficient airline, a profitable airline, which he does in this environment with the fuel price where it is, they’re going to be the leader in the ASEAN low cost segment.
Q: Please elaborate on Boeing's plans for the 737 MAX in India?
A: Jet Airways [group which includes JetLite, now re-named to JetKonnect] flies a majority fleet of 737s which are NGs [737-700, -800, -900/ER], and then SpiceJet is all NG, and Air India Express is now at 23 737-800s. When you are looking for replacement for these airplanes, clearly you are going to get the same thing. We are showing customers what this [the MAX] is all about, and we are showing them how we’re not changing today’s 737. We’re not changing the body, we’re not changing the interior, we’re just changing the engine. So it is whatever is there today, it’s just becoming 15% more fuel efficient. So it’s going to be an amazing thing for airlines. No cockpit changes, nothing.
Q: Currently, Boeing has 451 orders for the MAX, but you have more than 1,000 commitments (which includes these 451 orders). Lion Air has demonstrated their confidence in the form of an order. Why are other customers hesitating to convert their commitments into firm orders?
A: I won’t say it's hesitating. It takes time to define everything, and people have different things going right now. And they’ve stepped up to say that they want this airplane because, as you can appreciate Devesh, the more they wait, they might not get the early positions. Lion Air has locked up the early positions in 2017, so has Southwest, and clearly there’s an advantage to that. But they have to weigh that with respect to their other things going in their life as an airline. But I don’t put too much stock into that difference (between orders and commitments). Some people might think, it’s 2012 and the aircraft is 5 years away, what’s the big rush?
Q: We understand your competitor is facing some issues with CFM. How confident is Boeing in the LEAP-X engine, especially since its a single source engine for the MAX?
A: We feel pretty good. I have not heard anything other than that, and we have time to fix it. Clearly we have given them [CFM] the numbers. We have told them what missions this airplane has to do. It can only happen if they deliver. After all what is the big change on the MAX? its only the engine, and we if we don't have that, we are left with an NG.
Q: What future does Boeing see for the 787 in India, beyond the 27 and ten orders with Air India and Jet?
A: So you are asking who else, in India, do you think can fly the 787 internationally? The rest of our customers are all regional airlines. The two airlines that are capable of flying it [the 787] internationally have already purchased it. Other airlines are still flying within a zone, that is very small and regional. The 787 is not the airplane to go to Dubai and back.

Once we have those airlines interested, we’ll be talking. Even SpiceJet’s people went through this airplane today. So, it’s not like we’re not talking to them, but you have to be realistic also. When will they have the flight plan for using the 787? When will they be able to fly the airplane, etc.? We are working with the various airlines. In any case, even if they came today, right now I could not give them the airplane till 6~7 years down the line, unless they lease it. So it works out all well.
Q: What future do you see for the 777, and 777-X when it does develop, and your 747-8i?
A: The 747-8i, I feel, the potential may only be with Air India, if at all. The reason for that is, you just look at Bombay London, or the India London routes for that matter. Six to seven years ago, we only had 25 to 30 frequencies a week. Today we have 120, just on India London. With that kind of number, you clearly can see that you can’t take a big 747 and fly it because there are five other airlines that are flying a flight within the same hour.

So you got to have an airplane that is right-sized that is more efficient, and that’s what 777 and 787 are all about. We think that the 777 has a tremendous future. As we build variants like the 777X going forward they too will have a solid future. Once you have the base, and we have the base, as an example look at the cockpit; people that fly the 777 can fly the 787 with just five days of training. The 777X is not going to make a radical change either. Whereas, to go to an Airbus requires a long training period and a complete change in philosophy.

We’re going to continue to work with all our airline customers and keep them informed; in fact I am doing that as we speak right now, to airlines about what's coming in the future, and also taking their inputs so the airplane is what they want and like, as opposed to what we tell them it will be.
Q: What kind of demand do you see for new build freighters within the India market?
Not much, though, there is a market for used conversion freighters. That is already happening with Blue Dart, and we only have one dedicated freight airline, in India, today, and that too is regional and small. The reason for that, is that we’ve created a 777 that carries 15 tons of cargo in its belly, that’s half of the 737 freighter’s capacity. 787 is another good example, it’s got 14 tons of belly cargo capability. With that kind of capability, we are creating airplanes which already have a mini-freighter built in the belly, allowing airlines to leverage their passenger operations better.
Q: The Indian economy is growing fast, the passenger market at double digits. It has one of the highest growth rates in the world at 15-20%, yet Indian carriers are losing money, hands over fist. Why?
A: Simply put, because the airlines are pricing lower to artifically stimulate demand. If they continue this behaviour, it is not an industry that can be sustained.
Q: This question is for you, not as a Boeing person, but rather as an informed observer of global aviation. Many Indian airlines are leasing out their 300 plus seat aircraft out to foreign carriers, who then make a lot of money with the aircraft, before returning them back. In your opinion, what factors, are specific to the Indian market, that are holding back Indian carriers from making money with the very same aircraft? [Editor's note: For the last two years, bulk of Jet Airway's Boeing 777-300ER fleet has been leased out to Turkish Airlines, Gulf Air, and Thai Airways. Air India too, is considering leasing its 777s.]
A: So the fundamental answer to that question is that fares from India are a lot different than fares from another country. Dubai and Singapore [Emirates and Singapore Airlines, the two largest operators of the Boeing 777], with the same aircraft make billions of dollars of profit, while we have trouble filling that aircraft because they’re taking away the market. And why is that? it’s because of their connectivity. Once you go to Dubai, you can go anywhere in the world nonstop. Jet Airways will take you to London and then what happens. You don’t go anywhere. When they take you to Hong Kong, you don’t go anywhere. When I fly SQ [Singapore Airlines] from here to Singapore, 75% of passengers connect to somewhere else. So if you understand the fare segment, if you buy Jet Airways up to Singapore and other airline after that, you’ll pay 30% higher fares, so the only way to solve this is the connectivity.
Q: So you’re saying that the Indian carriers have to drastically expand their network to make these larger aircraft work for them?
A: Through Brussels Naresh [Goyal, Jet Airways] does okay. He has a scissor hub, What does Air India do? They go to New York and stop, they go to Chicago and stop, which is better than going just to London, but it still falls way short of the global connectivity offered by SQ and EK [Emirates]. The secret is the connectivity along with the fare.
Q: These last questions are for you in your capacity as Chairman of the Aviation committee at FICCI. What, in your opinion, are the critical steps to correct the problems in the Indian aviation market?
A: We’ve got to find money for the airlines, FDI [foreign direct investment] is one way, but the second thing is that you’ve got to find ways to reduce their cost, fuel being an important one. We also ought to find how they can rationalise their routes. There’s no point having 45 flights between Bombay and Delhi when the demand is only for 35 flights. Finally, there has to be cooperation at the airports. You come to Hyderabad, there’s a ladder from SpiceJet, there’s a ladder from IndiGo, and every airline has its own. Why can’t we have an airport provide those implements, charge for it, and reduce everybody’s costs? If the costs of the consolidated ground handler is high, it needs to be talked and looked into, as to why it is high. We should not abandon the idea.
Q: What about the airport charges? Some people say, India does not need gold plated five star airports with high charges.
A: Great question. You either increase the fare or the airport charge, the effect is the same, you lose the passenger. And this is why AERA [Airport Economic Regulatory Authority] was created, it’s a tough job, I don’t envy them at all.
Thank you Dr. Keskar, a pleasure as usual.
Thank you, Devesh.
Special thanks to Vinay Bhaskara for helping with the transcription.
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